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amaltaas 1 y 5 mo 4 d
The One-Above-All - vs - Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium)
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Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium) The following quote shows us that Eru Ilúvatar is the writer himself. May I remind you that every writer is omnipotent on this site?

"Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'* (as one critic has said). See Vol. I p. 65.2 — * Actually referred to as 'the One' in App. A III p. 317 1. 20. The Númenóreans (and Elves) were absolute monotheists."

Many people say that TOAA is 'the personification of the writers'. Would the writers not know where the main villain was? Incredible Hulk (2023) clearly says that TOAA had no idea where The Mother of Horrors were hiding. So not omniscient, not omnipresent, not omnipotent.

Eru wins.
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Hesperus 1 y 5 mo 3 d
The One-Above-All - vs - Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium)
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Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium) i know it This is from Tolkien letter 192. besides that Tolkien directly refers to himself and other authors/Writers of their fictions as occupying the role of sub-creators in letter 153 He says that sub-creators operate within the "channels" and possibilities already established by God in the primary creation but have freedom within those bounds:


We differ entirely about the nature of the relation of sub-creation to Creation. I should have said that liberation "from the channels the creator is known to have used already" is the fundamental function of "sub-creation", a tribute to the infinity of His potential variety [...] I am not a metaphysician; but I should have thought it a curious metaphysics — there is not one but many, indeed potentially innumerable ones — that declared the channels known (in such a finite corner as we have any inkling of) to have been used, are the only possible ones , or efficacious, or possibly acceptable to and by Him!



In other of his letters, too, he discusses how, as sub-creators, they are limited in their abilities compared to God/Eru, yet have freedom within those limits: Are there any "limits to the work of the writer" other than those imposed by his own limitation? There are no limits, but the laws of contradiction, it seems to me.”
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Hesperus 1 y 5 mo 3 d
The One-Above-All - vs - Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium)
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Eru Ilúvatar (Tolkien Legendarium) I can give more details based on the Tolkien letters I'm just not tired of it.
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